I am not here to discuss Glenn Spagnuolo.  However, I have personally seen letters from Occupy Wall Street members to members of Occupy Denver used to enforce non-violence only fundamentalist arguments.  Those website are made by a few members and do not represent brick and mortor organizations, but people who own the Occupy Denver Twitter Account as well as the website have taken positions and deleted comments, blocked members, etc.  New SDS doesn't count for much, and speaking in support can be taken out of context and does not mean that they agree with the specific organizing strategies.

But as to the other commentators, it's hard for people to want to go to the Friday GA given everything.  People are threatened with being "Doxed" for not promoting strict non-violence-only-fundamentalism, when that is against the Occupy New York principle of pprivacy.  Furthermore, the idea that problems with internal security should be addressed to the police by identifying those who make you insecure is deeply troubling.  Firsltly, the police operate with violence and the threat of violence in almost everything they do.   To actively solicit their help is creating violence, and not only that, the violence that you create you are also outsourcing or otherwise making the police do your dirty work for you.  Secondly, it is totally against the concept of unity, solidarity, autonomy, self-empowerment, and totally destroys solidarity.

When GAs have multiple facilitators, rules are bent for some and not others, decisions are not abided by, past decisions are used to brow-beat current ones, interruption is common, and people are isolating and turning on each other, etc. we should question what good coming to them can accomplish.

Compañero de lucha, it's been a long time since I've seen you in person, and it makes me very happy to read your thoughts, which very closely (though not completely) mirror my own.

I appreciate your words, "When Occupy Denver’s non-violence becomes truly committed to a principled revolutionary change, then and only then should it be applauded. If this occurs, maybe some of the radicals may even consider joining you." 

My question is, how will this group get there?  When will radical organizers (and I really mean organizers, not twitterers) who are indigenous, queer, immigrant and of color come and just own (decolonize, as it were?) the space and make it what we really want it to be? 

What will it take?  Adoption of St. Paul principles?  Something else?  I'm willing to spend a couple hours this Friday at 5pm to try to answer this question.  My (potentially naive) hope is that something concrete comes out of it, because otherwise it will be a damned shame.  But I'm at least willing to try.  Maybe I'll see you there. 

I was the permit holder for the Oct 1 march and some of these comments are directed toward me exclusivly, if not knowingly, so I will respond directly (another group is also crafting a response).

Background: To the best of my knowledge, both the "US Day of Rage" and "Occupy Wall Street" ideas came to fruition during a firestorm of activity on Twitter inspired by Jeff Jarvis' use of the hashtag #fuckyouwashington. People from all walks of life, from all over the world, joined in expressing their anger, frustration, and outrage for every greivance imaginiable. The date was set, Sept 17. I waited from home to see what would happen in Denver.

Sept 17 came, and only a handful of people locally expressed interest online. Only two of us managed to meet in person that day. Together we set the date for Oct 1, for another city was also having a protest. We picked the Capitol, because it is easy to find and a natural location for people in this metropolitan area.

On Monday, Sept 19, I started the permit application process. I put the name "Denver Day of Rage" on the permit - simply because neither Occupy Denver or Occupy Together had been created yet (and I am not that creative). It was inspired by the original hashtag, at least for me. As to why I filed a permit, I wanted a public announcement (to reach a wide audience). Also, it was my hope the the press would engage (which they did). Furthermore, I wanted it to be clear this was about government/political greivances to this wider audience.

To be quite honest, I never expected this local effort to gain so much attention and to gain momentum so fast.

What you may not know about that Sept 29 Denver General Assembly meeting is this: young white women talked excessively of violence, using the word over and over again. I personally found it very alarming for many different reasons.

I would like to clearly state that I, in no way shape or form, implied retalitory agression toward anyone.

As a final note, I would like to share that I, too, am Native American but that I have not felt welcome in these indigenous communities which seem to shun "outsiders."

It is my hope that we can come together. I think I can speak for the group when I say, we are an open and receptive audience. Please also keep in mind that many of these events happened in the first week of our inception (we are now at week two). We are all babes in this process of direct group action.

Kindly, Molly

Hi Tina,

With your permission, we would love to print this in next months issue of Ignite! If you would be

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Thanks

Ignite! crew

I agree completely with this article, and it is made especially more relevant with the unprecedented recent S&P downgrade of the U.S. This is the reason that investors and individuals want to buy silver and gold to preserve their spending power and protect themselves from a potential devalued dollar. Who knows where this financial craziness will all end, public uprising, stock market crash?

what, no pics?

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The top three reasons for homelessness are:

1. Loss of a job.

2. The high cost of housing.

3.  Break-up of a family.

EACH of these reasons, counted individually, is more prevalent than all other reasons combined.  So let's cut out the innuendo about alcoholism and drug use.  I think most readers know plenty of people who are substance abusers and have housing.  They have housing for the same reason you do, Gentle Reader.  Either they have the money to pay for it, or someone else who has the money is willing to provide housing for them.  So let's talk about the real reasons why so many vets are homeless.

For returning vets, job loss is a given.  They were soldiers.  Now they have come home, thank goodness, but that makes them unemployed.  This is the Number One reason among all homeless and applies, automatically, to the returning soldier.

The high cost of housing is another reason that applies to all homeless, including those who are returning soldiers.  And publicly funded, so-called housing programs don't help.  Extremely few housing programs list homelessness as a qualifying factor.  Many do not accept homeless persons at all.  And those who do often have requirements that exclude most homeless and/or make us compete with wealthy persons who can easily afford private housing.   

As for joblessness, there are few jobs for anyone, anymore.  And what jobs exist are unlikely to pay a living wage.  This is not because anyone lacks training, education, or a will to work.  It is because corporate business would rather sit on huge piles of cash than create jobs and pay workers.  They are making money without putting people to work.  Unfortunately, they can do whatever they want and are accountable to no one.  The only solution to the employment problem is an end to a system dictated by capital.

In fact, the largest demographic group among the homeless is not vets, but mothers with children.   

Thank you for sharing with us.

Regards

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glad to hear some folks showed. there are some badass folks in the springs and I hope they find each other!

I missed it.  I guess that's what I get for not checking back often enough. :(  Hopefully it won't be the only get together this year.  Can anyone report back what happened?   How many people showed up?

thanks a lot for doing this. it's great to see people acting in the street in any capacity.