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is endangered by reporting on the actions of others, then there isn't any free speech left. If the only free speech is the speech allowed by the government, there isn't any free speech.
Oh, and by the way, there's no such thing as an "innocent protestor" - and there never has been. Even in Sam Adams day, two hundred years ago, he said:
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
thanks- I take it from being at a few dozen protests- and more importantly- LEARNING from them. Its seems like everyone gets amnesia out there once the shit goes down. People need to know their urban areas better- and have at least one contingency plan. Wish I could be there- I'm trapped in the desert! Remember to de-arrest, folks!
thank you! please DONT BE SUPRISED like it seems so many are (partially due to their inexperience) that the cops are beating you. EXPECT IT- and BE PREPARED FOR IT. You will be better off for it. The St. Paul pigs and minne pigs are RUTHLESS. Theres been controversy and proven incidents where the st. paul pigs were in direct support of white supremacist groups. Keep the militant actions OUTSIDE of the PLANNED protest area (for the most part) because, DUH- they are prepared for it, and have greater resources to control THAT AREA. Not other areas. Keep that in mind, and stay safe- those pigs are urging to straight up KILL someone- I can feel it. Solidarity.
You are right. The average Amerikan, such as yourself, is a selfish bastard who happily support murder abroad and at home so that their sacred Amerikan "way of life" won't be disturbed. Fuck you, average Amerikan!
Erase this
The language used in this article is very puzzling. The complaint against the police is that they hurt and terrorized 'innocent bystanders.' This seems to imply that hurting and terrorizing anarchists is ok--they deserved it.
I did not see this nor talk to anyone who took part, I am not even in Denver. But just from the description in this article, is it accurate to say 'The police had to act to keep the peace.'? It sounds like there was peace until the police broke it.
This is described as a 'looting action,' with destruction of property. Only the protesters can know what they intended to do, but was there any looting occuring before the police attack? Is it acceptable for police to use violence because they anticipate looting might occur?
What I see in the description is a group of protesters peacefully exersising their first amendment right to walk down the street in protest. When police blocked their path they chose to continue to exersise that right rather than be intimidated. The police responded with violence. What violence would have occured it the police had instead chosen to let them through? Is there any evidence that the protesters acted to harm property or people either before or after the police violence began?
Let me see if i have this straight.
You commited (or claim to have committed) an act of petty vandalism like this:
http://www.wlos.com/shared/newsroom/top_stories/wlos_vid_1231.shtml
Then you take credit for the action via infoshop:
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20080825102033104
...and with this reply to someone else's message, possibly making them a target as well.
You believe this is an appropriate action to gain attention for your cause.
Perhaps you haven't considered how committing a petty crime, and taking "credit" for that crime via the websites of others, could conceivably open them up to scrutiny and possible warrants that could be used to confiscate equipment or compromise security in an attempt to uncover the identities of anyone who has ever availed themselves of anonymity on those websites. What a reckless way to further endanger the infrastructure of our free speech.
So? As for Milosevic he was kidnapped and forced to appear illegally before a transnational corporate state kangaroo court. Even then they couldn't convict him so they murdered him in his cell.
YOU ARE THE FUCKING IDIOT.
Asheville Democratic Party Headquarters Trashed in Opposition to Oil Drilling and War
Last night, on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, we trashed the Democratic Party Headquarters in Asheville, NC. We dumped several gallons of used motor oil onto their front porch and painted, "No war, No warming, No Drilling" on their walls.
We took this action to express our outrage at the Democrats pandering to the oil companies. Instead of looking for real solutions to global warming, the Democratic party, including the head honcho himself, Barack Obama, is pushing to open up more of our fragile coastal ecosystems to oil drilling. If this plan is allowed to go forward thousands of miles of coastline could be devastated by this toxic industry. All the while, greenhouse gas emissions will escalate, and our Earth's climate will teeter closer to the tipping point.
Meanwhile the Democrats continue to fully support the war on terror. While making half hearted gestures about ending the Iraq war, they have remained unabashed supporter of the war in Afghanistan. One recent highlight of this "just" war was the massacre of over 90 civilians at a wedding last week. Democrats, may the ghost of these innocents haunt you for the rest of your lives.
This action was taken in solidarity with all those in the streets of Denver, and people around the world who refuse to be silent.
Citizens Hoping Against New Gas Emissions
I just don't get this line. "Freedom of speech" is an inherent right everyone has. It does not compel people to talk to you, no matter where you are or what your agenda is. Freedom of speech includes the right NOT to speak... right "anonymous?" heh
I saw the video too. "Griff" refers to his previous attempt to "interview" Ward Churchill. It's clear the two events didn't occur at the same moment.
liberal, nonviolent "protesters" should step aside. I bet you were there clapping during ward churchill's speech. you know that book he wrote "pacifism as pathology"... you should read it.
The post a few up is wise. Always be aware of what's happening. Send out scouts. Don't have to go far, but far enough to see what the police are doing the next block over. Don't be surprised.
Do you really believe the average American gives half a shit about your movement? About your "solidarity networks" and "radical direct action?"
You people are an insignificant political force in this country.
Do you really believe the American people will stand up and march beside you and wave your black and red flags?
You don't have any mass support. You're nothing but a fringe group of political extremists on the margins of society.
Get a life
You're protesting in public, so people, especially journalists, have a right to film you and ask questions about what you're protesting about.
I saw that fox news report. The crowd did NOT demand "to know why his organization did such a terrible job covering the War, presenting accurate news, and living up to their claims of being "Fair and Balanced." "
All they did was scream "Fuck Fox News! Fuck Fox News!"
You idiots were given 1 chance to make your case and reach out to mainstream America, where the real power lies, and you idiots fucked it up and just made fools out of yourselves.
Welcome to the police state. Pay your taxes, go to war and shut the hell up.
this type (pens) of entrapment is nothing new. i'm guessing they're gonna detain everyone for the remainder of the dnc.
in the future i suggest that we plan better in advance - read the book 'policing dissent.' it won't give us any clear ideas of what to do, but will hopefully lead to some creative ways to beat the govn't/fbi/law enforcement at their own games....
hi fbi - or whoever is reading this. see you all at the rnc.
Do you really think the average American gives half a shit about your “solidatarity networks” and your “radical direct action”?
You are a non-existant political force in America and, infact, the whole world.
Do you really believe the American people will stand up and march along side you and wave your black and red flags?
You don’t have ANY mass support. You’re just a tiny fringe group of political extremists on the margins of society.
link to video
Webcam video of some of the Monday Night’s Arrests
Do you really think the average American gives half a shit about your “solidatarity networks” and your “radical direct action”?
Anarchism is a non-existant political force in America and, infact, the whole world.
Do you really believe the American people will stand up and march along side you and wave your black and red flags?
You don’t have ANY mass support. You’re just a tiny fringe group of political extremists on the margins of society.
You're nothing but a bunch of rich, white suburbanites (how else could to take a few days off to go to Denver?) who listened to a little too much RATM in high school.
You want a "class war"? How about you start by burning down your own houses and throwing rocks at your neighbors?
fix the numbers on the headline. theyr ehigher than supposed to be.
the cops were prepared. they trapped the protesters between two blocks. pepper balls were shot into the ground. some pepper spray, but not much.
That's police pens not pins.
I'm all for anti-imperialism, but Larry Holmes is a fucking idiot. Troops Out Now is just a front for International ANSWER, which is a front for the International Action Center, which acted as apologists for Milosevic, Liberia's Charles Taylor and Mao because they were anti-US.
dead prez were sweet though. I wonder if the Stalinist organizers realize they're anarchists?
i hear the chants, 'they say get back, we say fight back!' and yet nobody fights back. what's up with that?
thanks to the videographers!
but its sad that this stuff is being posted on corporate giant/homeland security collaborator goggle's website.
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